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It seems to be a week full of reader's comments. The new merchant account fees have readers mad as a hive of bees. It seems a little unfair to single out "adult" companies with an "extra fee". I can see that if it was shown that such sites have higher chargebacks etc, then perhaps it is just...but even if this is true...why not charge that extra fee for sites with "high chargebacks". I think adult is just an easy target. Lots more comments on this below. This week I have the second pro-level version of Steve's bid.pl. A fine piece of code for all you coders out there. I start off today with banter on the 3 key stat numbers that all webmasters should have when driving a big paysite down the road. These three numbers are like your speedometer, water temp, and RPM and keep you optimally cruising. There was a very large child porn bust yesterday and we have several links to the stories. I am glad the FBI is able to infiltrate and shut down these net based groups. Mel writes in with a scoop on why he believe goto changed its name...interesting reading. Jill writes in about a new search engine that is indexing on the fly...add your url and you are instanly in! The bad news is that they are using a blacklist and most adult sites are on it. I had flames out my nostrils this week when I read a slanted article on wired.com regarding Users not willing to pay for content...my scathing rebuttal below.

better than a poke in the eye with a sharp twig...let's roll

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3 "PRO-LEVEL" PAYSITE MATH NUMBERS
after the last month of paysite talk, I started thinking a little more about the numbers I would want to steer a paysite. I always was in love with "avg stay" but there are two other numbers that I think are also very important and I want to thank Eric for writing in with these 3 items last week. I don't call them but the same names, but agree with their importance.

1. SIGN-UP RATIO
a simple number that tells you "how good is my front end". You take your total unique hits to the site, and divide that by your sign-ups for a day or longer. If you get 10,000 unique hits a day, and you get about 10 sign-ups a day, you then have a 1/1000 sign-up ratio. This number by itself is not that useful because it is difficult to compare apples to apples. I can't count how many times a person has said to me "join my site and you will see a 1:200 sign-up ratio"..so I join and hammer it with my blind traffic. Low and behold, 1:5000. There are so many factors at work. Type of traffic, type of banners, type of niche. Therefore I don't hold much value in one webmaster saying his sign-up ratio is better than anothers since they are apples and oranges. What the SIGN-UP number is GREAT for, is to TEST TEST and RE TEST that site FRONT END. You have a 3 or 5 pages on your sites that are your sales force...these get people to JOIN. Every 3-6 months, you might want to change them and TEST a new front end...for 2-3 days, and see if you can improve on the 1:1000 ratio. If you improve, continue with the new front end. If you decline, go back to the original. I personally believe that there is no better way to make more money on a pay site than by working on this. If you can improve your front end 10%, you have just added 10% to your income. AND, just like banners, it is shocking how various banner have different click rates.

2. AVG STAY
you know I love to babble about this until everyone is blue in the face. This number helps you decide if the BACK END of your site is good. The number takes time to calculate. It is also a little harder to change the look and feel of a back-end to a site. If you do test a new back-end, the trouble is that testing would take 2-3 months. I still think it is a god number to know since you can use it to gauge what you can pay for ads and you can use it to determine your payouts etc. You can also track it to see if people are staying longer and less long over time and plan accordingly. I have no proof, but I tend to think the new concept of letting people sign-up for one of your paysites, and then give them access to 5 of your paysites, adds to avg stay. This might be something that could be tested in the long run.

3. JOINS TO RECURRING CONVERSION RATIO
I really never gave this number much thought until Eric mentioned in last week. This is an excellent number. If you have 20 people sign-up for your paysite today, and in 5 days, 5 of those become recurring members, you have a 25% CONVERSION ratio. Now this is a terrific tool to give you some of the info that #2 would take months to give you. This is your guide to your BACK END. If people like your members area, they will go from TRIAL to MONTHLY...it is that simple. I think again it would be very wise to test BACK ENDS every 3-6 months. I am not saying altering content....content is constant. I am saying alter the way you present the content. Maybe you test a java down left hand side menu one month. Then maybe test a frames menu. Then maybe test a dark and gloomy backend with white words...then test a fresh and clean white backend with black text. How you preset your pictures, video, streams, newsgroups will influence the percent of people who convert to full customers.

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COMMENTS ON GOTO from Darren
Darren writes
I actually went to goto yesterday and thought the same thing. Its just easier to type in goto. What morons! Actually the name change reminded me of the Simpons episode when Homer was designing a car for his brothers automobile company and the marketing execs picked a greek mythology name for the vehicle...that the average joe would know nothing about.

OH THE GOTO HUMANITY from Brien
you think that all the idiots would have been vanquished from the net business long ago...but as you can see with the goto redirect, they are not. I'd give my left arm, nut and hand to get the goto traffic that they are losing. Why build up a name and idea and then change it just for fucks sake?? Oh the humanity....

RUMORED SCOOP ON WHY GOTO'S NAME CHANGED from Mel
Mel writes
I see alot of references made to GoTo.com and their new name. Well I have the scoop on why they had to drop their name. I am good friends with one of the big boys at the other Big pay-per-click search engine and he tells me that GoTo.com had to change their name because of trademark issues that Disney brought against GoTo. So at the end Disney got their way. I do not have all the details but this is the summery. So I guess you can share this info with all the inquiring minds.

COMMENTS ON GOTO from Guru-O-Gif
These are very interesting threads. I have no way to prove or disprove Mel's rumor...it does sound logical to me. Let's pretend that it is true and Disney's lawyers forced GOTO to change names. If this is true, why the hell would you pick a name like "OVERTURE"! It is 8 characters and hard to spell and means nothing to Joe Guy. There has to be 1000 four letter domains available for $50k or less that would of been much more cool. Maybe GOTO was about to IPO and got scared this would hold things up by rangling with lawyers.

And another thing...even if you give up on a name, I doubt they would legally be forced to drop a redirect since there used to be one on those pages for some time. How many times have we seen great internet sites DESTROYED by acquisitions of Fortune 500 companies. Let's names a couple

LINKEXCHANGE where are they today? Gobbled up by MS and now almost extinct
INFOSEEK brand instantly destroyed by Disney. now GO.COM. ..insane

know anymore? I can't remember them but I know there are many others...email me if you can think of some andy@lips.com

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YAHOO ON THE REBOUND from Richard
www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,38799,00.html?ref=cnet

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FBI BUSTS GIANY U.S. CHILD PORN RING from SignGuy + Dan + Jill
www.msnbc.com/news/725817.asp?pne=msn
www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/18/fbi.child.porn/index.html
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46691-2002Mar18.html

DEAR ABBY HELPS CATCH CHILD PORNOGRAPHER from SignGuy
www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/13/dear.abby.arrest.ap/index.html

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GOOGLE MAKES CASH AND KICKS ASS
how they became kings of search
www.msnbc.com/news/724800.asp?cp1=1

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WIRED.COM HAS HEAD UP ASS from Juicy Jill
story titled "Pay for Content? Ha, Say Users"
www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,51146,00.html

Andy writes
Jill and I agree that Wired is out to lunch on this on. Jill sent me this story and what is so funny is that the EXACT same story was in 'investors business daily' AND said "USERS WILL PAY FOR CONTENT". I think the writer at WIRED should be fired since he/she is a candidate for 'head up the ass' awards 2003. Porn thrives on billing. Wall Street Journal is very successful online at billing (click any link and they ask you to join)
online.wsj.com/public/us

Consumer Reports is very successful.
https://www.consumerreports.org/main/commerce/agreement.jsp?bmUID=1016561703927

Just recently, one of the mixed martial arts sites I read offered a PAY members section.
www.mma.tv/memberships/

Check out this car site I read and has a neat teaser into PAY for membership
www.fordmuscle.com/estore/subscribe.shtml

I pay $10 a month to efax and love it. Beats having a stinking fax machine
www.efax.com/index.html

I used to pay $10 a month to MSN investor and then they made it free...I would still pay $10
moneycentral.msn.com/investor/home.asp

Tokyo Joe gets $200 a month! to join his stock information club
www.tokyojoe.com/

You can't tell me users will not pay for content! They do and they will and the numbers will grow! I pay for content and wish there was more. One other note before I forget...I think many mainstream pay models are still a year or two behind adult. I find many do not know how to ask for the sale. Porn asks for the sale 6 ways from sunday =) Two sites above that I really like are Wallstreet Journal and FordMuscle. They use a great teaser system and I personally feel this works well...just like sample adult pics. Wallstreet journal gives you the first paragraph of every story and then when you click to read, you get asked for the sale. FordMuscle is very similar. They write 6-8 page reviews on an automotive topic and give the first page away free..when you click to read the next page, you are immidiately asked for the sale. Here is a great example...AND they even offer the classic adult "30 day free trial" ...Well Done!
66.96.130.106/archives/1999/10/400horse/index.shtml

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BAG OF SALT TABLE O' TRIX CONTENT

COMMENTS ON NEW MERCHANT FEES AIMED AT ADULT from Julie
COMMENTS ON NEW MERCHANT FEES AIMED AT ADULT from D.
MORE COMMENTS ON BILLING MATH from Eric
OPINIONS ON CARD SERVICE INTL ADULT FEES from Steve
COMMENTS ON WILD PARTY GIRLS from Stephen
COMMENTS ON ADULT MERCHANT EXTORTION FEES from Kendra
10 PLACES YOUR EMAIL CAN BE INTERCEPTED from Charles
GEAT BOOK - RICH DAD POOR DAD from James
GIGABLAST SEARCH ENGINE ADDING SITES INSTANTLY from Juicy Jill
SOME SEARCH ENGINES USING SQUIDGUARD BLACKLIST from Juicy Jill
ASCII AND HTML EMAIL from Josh
HTACCESS SOLUTION TO COOKIE TRAP from Ben
PRO LEVEL BID.PL from Steve

MORE NEWS
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UPDATE ON BRITISH TELECOM INTERNET LINKING LAWSUIT from Charles
www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,51056,00.html

WIRELESS EXPERIMENTS IN HAWAII from Richard
www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,38492,00.html?ref=cnet%20tag

PROSTITUTES GET CONTRACTS AND PROFIT SHARING IN BERLIN from Allen
Allen writes:
my favorite part is "It also allowed them to pursue through the courts customers who refuse to pay." :)
news1.iwon.com/article/id/42339|oddlyenough|03-18-2002::08:07|reuters.html

HE WATCHES PORNOS FOR THE MUSIC from Charles
go.hotwired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,50918,00.html/wn_ascii

STEVE WOZNIAC TODAY - WHEELS OF ZEUS from SignGuy
www.msnbc.com/news/724796.asp?pne=msn

NETWORK ASSOCIATES WANTS T BUY REST OF MCAFEE
www.msnbc.com/news/725745.asp

MP3s AND VIRUSES from SignGuy
msn.com.com/2100-1105-861995.html

GOLDEN AGE OF E COMMERCE PROFITS from Richard
www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/16805.html

SOFTWARE HARDWARE
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LINUX COYOTE FIREWALL from BadBunny
BadBunny writes
www.coyotelinux.com/
on the closedbsd firewall, I dont think they include modules for like icq and netmeeting, so you might not be able to do video conferencing. I use linuxcoyote.com Same thing basically.

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PORTABLE INTERNET SYSTEM from Brujah
www.xybernaut.com/newxybernaut/Products/Product/poma_product.htm

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LINUX ROUTER - MASQUERADE IP from Bruce
Bruce writes
Here a link that describes how to use a Linux machine as a gateway computer, ie. perform the function of a router, but you have more flexability since it is Linux and not the firmware that comes with a router.
www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/

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LINKSYS ROUTER AND ROUTER WITH 8 PORT HUB from Bruce
www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=142
www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23&prid=155

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WE-BLOCKER - KEEP KIDS AWAY FROM NET RED LIGHT from Baron Of Bandwidth
www.we-blocker.com/
Dayne showed me this neat software that he uses with his son. The software is free and simple. It uses a simple word list to keep kids away from nasty sites. You can add or subtract to the filters. Dane gives it a big thumbs up

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LINUX FIREWALL DESIGN from Signuy
www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html
www.zdnet.co.uk/news/specials/2000/10/enterprise/techrepublic/2002/10/article002.html

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"CLICK ME MEDIA" IS THE NICHE TRAFFIC CONVERTER
www.clickmemedia.com

Get Paid up to $40 per Trial Sign-up to any of our 6 Hot Niche Pay Sites. How about $0.50 per confirmed email address + a $10 Upsell on our all new 4Free Sites. Don't forget about our $250 Productivity Bonus & $300 Performance Bonus.. Each Month we add fresh banners, buttons and Fullpage Ads to ensure our webmasters are getting the best conversion ratios..
www.clickmemedia.com

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TRIX
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COMMENTS ON NEW MERCHANT FEES AIMED AT ADULT from Julie
Julie writes
I am a phone girl with my own business
www.phonesexgirl69.com
and YES...I did receive that nasty letter from Mastercard and I did call them and I feel they are screwing me royally!!!Need I say more? Is there any way around this or any recourse to take? I feel I should have told them I was selling sunglasses or chairs....but no, I wanted to do things properly and in doing things properly I feel I am getting the shaft in a major way. What's next is the next question.

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COMMENTS ON NEW MERCHANT FEES AIMED AT ADULT from D.
D. writes
I dropped Card [lack of service] a while back and switched to Humboldt. The charge is from Mastercard, as I'm getting hit the same way. Vicious. Nasty MC crap.

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MORE COMMENTS ON BILLING MATH from Eric
eric writes
regarding: per sign up...I agree - there's piece of mind in not having to worry about someone "scamming" you, and I don't necessarily disagree with you that per-signup will make you more money in the long run, but I think it's dependent on the website in question.

andy writes:
certainly. I agree. Perhaps per sign up will go the way of clicks and they will be linked to quality of traffic. I hope I have not lead people to believe that per sign up makes more...I don't think it does...I think they are even. I prefer getting my money up front. Per sign up accelerates payment to the traffic sender.

eric writes
If a website's converted sale retains at anything greater than 2.75 months (at $29.95), you're going to make more money with 50/50 than you are with the $35 flat rate, though you're taking a bigger risk (money upfront vs money over a period of time). Anything less than that [which is probably the case 85% of the time], and the revshare webmaster loses money.

andy writes:
I have to agree

eric writes
I think another issue is webmasters sometimes will take less money just to know that they aren't getting "screwed" (i.e. taking $25 over a period of time knowing they aren't getting taken advantage of vs getting $30 upfront but never knowing how bad they're getting shaved).

andy writes:
I have said this in previous letter many a time. I will ALWAYS take less to be paid early. This is a risky business and I doubt I know anyone who has never been ripped off. Because of this, I will always take a lower accelerated payment over a later, but larger payment.

eric writes
As a paysite owner, I find that it's vital information to tell me the success of the site.

andy writes:
I agree

eric writes
I happen to track the number (and %) of trials, initial recurring (1st month rebills), as well as subsequent months (2,3,4,5,6,etc) for both current members, archived members and the site as a whole. I'm also able to plot then on a line graph so I can figure out if I'm increasing, decreasing, maintaining members.

andy writes:
awesome stuff. I bet less than 100 webmasters do what you do....and it is so critical

eric writes
I can also do any of the above information by third-party processor or affiliate ID (to see how productive traffic from a source is). I, like you, am big on numbers.. =) [Can you tell that I'm a programmer?]

andy writes:
great stuff. I think we basically agree on everything, but just look at the picture in a slightly different way :)

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COMMENTS ON NEW MERCHANT FEES AIMED AT ADULT from Steve
I used to have a dirt world business in a mall. No adult stuff. They first made me buy a credit card terminal that was supposed to be the greatest but I later found out it was not compatible with any other terminal. This means that you can't switch to another bank. Very sneaky, and a waste of a lot of money.

Then I wanted to process on line and they had me do a rent to own of the software, and when I had done paying it for years, even though I had paid it all off, because I couldn't find the origional disk, I had to pay them like $300. I figured out these guys were a total ripoff after about 3 months, but what I had to do to keep my credit was keep paying them even though I found another much much better bank and merchant account. It took me 3 years to get rid of them totally.

They also advertise a lot and do very well in targeting the market of "newbie" business owners who are just the kind of people that don't know what they are really offering. It takes a little while to learn the ropes with credit card processing, and they take advantage of that. Altogether I lost about $3000 from their "services".

There are many banks out there that want your business and are fair. You just have to shop around a little bit and negotiate. I processed 1.5 million dollars in credit card sales one year so I know what I am talking about here.

Steve

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COMMENTS ON WILD PARTY GIRLS from Stephen
Stephen writes
As the lawyer for the Girls Gone Wild video producers said privacy protection does not extend to people who take their clothes off in public and especially not at large events where many people have video cameras.

Even if E! did set this girl up people need to have more commonsense when they get into situations like that. Being drunk shouldn't be an excuse. And E! needs to get a better lawyer, they shouldn't have lost.

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COMMENTS ON ADULT MERCHANT EXTORTION FEES from Kendra
Kendra writes
This months statment from IPayment they announced that in addition to the extra fee, and the $500 a year renewal fee, they are increasing their take .02-.05%

When i joined CC services and got my merchant account, doesnt the contract we signed with them protect us? Would the fact that they are targeting one specific market and forcing unexceptable fees with intentions of driving them out of business be considered a form of discrimination? This is not being imposed to other industires, and yet we are expected to pay $1000 2 weeks
prior to taxes being due, done by Automatic Transfer. I spoke to my sales rep with EZIC who said that when he contacted CC services they are infact weeding out the fly by nights and blah blah blah.. it was simply too easy for people to get a merchant account.

I dont know but this sounds like discrimination and im wondering if there is a way to fight this? Whos to say that next year we wont have another fee on top of this? That our annual fee becomes $700 or $1000? If CC services is passing along the extra fees and are so concerned, then it should be imposed upon ALL MERCHANTS not just a single group.

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10 PLACES YOUR EMAIL CAN BE INTERCEPTED from CHarles
Charles writes
At the end of my message is a link that might be of interest to your readers.
www.wildid.com/email_interception.asp

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GREAT BOOK - RICH DAD POOR DAD from James
James writes
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446677450/
I just recently picked up a copy of the book, "rich dad poor dad". It's got interested basic concepts on how to increase you wealth... It funny how many webmasters are making the big $$$, they have a few cars, buy a big house etc. However their net worth is low.... If they bought a house for $350k instead of $1million, and put the balance into real estate like apartments then there the liability ver. assests would cook more attractive...

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GIGABLAST SEARCH ENGINE ADDING SITES INSTANTLY from Jil
Jill writes
www.gigablast.com
www.gigablast.com/about.html
it is adding sites instantly... just like the old inktomi. man this thing must be smoking! I can only imagine how many people are blasting it. We needed some instant gratification!!

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SOME SEARCH ENGINES USING SQUIDGUARD BLACKLIST from Juicy Jill
Jill writes
This guy from gigablast.com emailed me and told the reason many of my sites are not being added to his database is because my sites were listed on an internet "blacklist" this included Jillianne's Garden my lingerie site.
www.squidguard.org/blacklist/
but even they say on the site that it is put together by a dumb bot! This is bull shit... he's even saying he plans to keep porn out if he can, for the most part. If he goes by this list he's crazy. There should be NO reason why my sites would be blacklisted - I have never once done anything illegal, spammed nothing!

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ASCII AND HTML EMAIL from Josh
Josh asks
i've been asked to try to find a way that I can send out our co's mailings in both HTML & ASCII forms, so that clients that support HTML will get HTML, and clients that only support ASCII will get the ASCII version. Is that Possible??

Andy writes
Not that I know of. I do not think there is a way for the letter to determine this. You have to determine it manually and break the list in two. This is we try and do it. The way I prefer it done is to send everyone the text based version ASCII and then ask somewhere in the email "click here if you prefer to get the HTML version of this email" and then gather the names and alter them in the file to send the HTML fancy version. My experience has been that ASCII letters get read more...sure they are not as pretty...but more people can open them...they are smaller, and people tend to read them more.

So the best way I know is to somehow split the list in two. Everyone can read ascii so I would send that as the default. Then ask people to click to join the second group who wants the fancy prancy version.

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HTACCESS SOLUTION TO COOKIE TRAP from Ben
Ben writes
I've got some htaccess solutions to making a "Cookies Disabled Trap" on my webpimps site now.
to the original.

Checkout
www.webpimps.com/scripts/htaccess/#cookietrap

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PRO LEVEL BID.PL from Steve
Here is the second level of research script sent in from Steve last week.

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use IO::Socket;

$input_file = "words.txt";
$output_file = "bids.txt";

open (DATA,"$input_file");
while (<DATA>) {
chomp;
$search_term = $_;
print "$search_term\n";

$socket = IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr => "www.overture.com",
PeerPort => 80,
Proto => "tcp",
Type => SOCK_STREAM);

print $socket "GET \/d\/search\/tools\/bidtool\/?Keywords=$search_term HTTP\/1.0\n\n";

open(RESULTS, ">>$output_file");

print RESULTS $search_term;

while (<$socket>) {
if ($_ =~ /Cost to advertiser: \$(.*)\)/) { print RESULTS ",$1" }
}

print RESULTS "\n";

close (RESULTS);
close($socket);

}
close (DATA);
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use IO::Socket;

$input_file = "words.txt";
$output_file = "results.txt";

open (DATA,"$input_file");
while (<DATA>) {
chomp;
print "$_\n";
$search_term = "$_";
$search_term_request = "mkt=us\&term=$search_term";

$request = "POST \/d\/searchinventory\/suggestion\/ HTTP\/1.0\n";
$request .= "Host: inventory.overture.com\n";
$request .= "Accept: text\/html, text\/plain\n";
$request .= "Accept-Encoding: gzip\n";
$request .= "Accept-Language: en\n";
$request .= "User-Agent: Lynx\/2.8.3rel.1 libwww-FM\/2.14\n";
$request .= "Referer: http:\/\/inventory.overture.com\/d\/searchinventory\/suggestion\/\n";
$request .= "Content-type: application\/x-www-form-urlencoded\n";
$request .= "Content-length: ".length($search_term_request)."\n\n";
$request .= "$search_term_request";

$socket = IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr => "inventory.overture.com",
PeerPort => 80,
Proto => "tcp",
Type => SOCK_STREAM);
print $socket $request;

open(RESULTS, ">>$output_file");
while (<$socket>) {

if ($_ =~ / \&nbsp\;([0-9]*)<\/b/) { print RESULTS "$1,$search_term\n" }
#if ($_ =~ / \&nbsp\;([a-zA-Z]*)<\/b/) { print RESULTS "$1\n" }
if ($_ =~ / \&nbsp\;([0-9]*)<\/t/) { print RESULTS "$1," }
if ($_ =~ /term=(.*?)"/) { print RESULTS "$1\n" }

}close (RESULTS);close($socket);}close (DATA);
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use IO::Socket;

#takes as input the results text file from suggest.pl

$input_file = "results.txt";
$output_file = "overture.txt";

open (DATA,"$input_file");
while (<DATA>) {
chomp;
$hits_and_term = $_;
if ($_ =~ /.*,(.*)/) { $search_term = $1 }
print "$search_term\n";

$socket = IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr => "www.overture.com",
PeerPort => 80,
Proto => "tcp",
Type => SOCK_STREAM);

print $socket "GET \/d\/search\/tools\/bidtool\/?Keywords=$search_term HTTP\/1.0\n\n";

open(RESULTS, ">>$output_file");

print RESULTS $hits_and_term;

while (<$socket>) {
if ($_ =~ /Cost to advertiser: \$(.*)\)/) { print RESULTS ",$1" }
}

print RESULTS "\n";

close (RESULTS);
close($socket);

}
close (DATA);

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INTERESTING SITES
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LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD from SleezyDream
www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm

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INTERNET LAW LIBRARY from Charles
Charles writes
At the end of my message is a link that should be of interest to your readers.
www.internet-law-library.com/

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KIND WORDS ON TRIX from Steve
Steve sent me this great link to a post from TGP Kingpin "SleazyDream" on the GFY webmaster board. My face is turning read and I have a big smile =) from the kinds comments from TRIX readers! Thanks!
www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?&threadid=53941

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GURU OF GIF
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IS HOTBOT DEAD from Juciy Jill
Juciy Jill writes
Andy I'm thinking hotbot is dead. I mean really dead... they removed their Add url feature and it's coming up as a 404. they have sucked for way over a year but I think Inktomi is floundering pretty badly too and they were their only hope
hotbot.lycos.com/help/addurl

Andy writes:
it looks like another one time TOP5 search engine is going to bite the dust. Remarkable.

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BUTCHER SEARCHES FOR OIL
www.cobralads.com/butcher45.html

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Andy
andy@lips.com