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A couple of neat scripts were just sent in this week by Spanno. One is java and
the other apache mod. What these scripts do is filter users for non-english
speaking, then redirect the this hit. I think this is a very interesting
concept. Spanno uses the script to send non EN browsers to dialers. I think
this is a very good approach to traffic management. Lots of news this week on
both GOOGLE and PAYPAL. Google continues to offer excellent products. Paypal
continues to sink deeper into quicksand as they try to get out the door with an
IPO. Paypal's biggest problem is that Ebay is trying to run them out of Dodge
by creating their own in house easy billing system. One very wild thing at
google this week is that they have the usenet posts now back to 1981....sends
shivers up my spine..WOW! I palyed with the advanced search for hours trying to
find my earliest posts. I can't remember my earliest emails so if was a
treasure hunt. Check this out below.

A couple of "make me sleep with one eye open" stories in the news this week.
The first obsenity trial since 1993 is going to court. The high profile Symore
Butts has choosen to fight. This is one for personal freedom. I am disappointed
that the federal government still wants to interfere with what people do in
their bedrooms as concenting adults. Is this not 2002? Are we still burning
witches? One additional scary story is that some goofy firm has the patent on
clicking an internet link. Holy fuck batman! I don't give a rat's ass if you
have the patent on hyper linking...get over it! How about doing one for
humanity and the internet. We have only been clicking links for 10 years now
and all of a sudden this firm wants to get paid. What kind of cockamainy
bullshit is that?

I promised to do a tutorial on banner making in photoshop essentials this week
but 'd rather write it tonight and tomorrow and use it for next week since the
letter has gotten so big this week once again. I will also do the crook filter
tips I wanted to add as well. Since I did promise the photshop this week,
anyone who had their hearts sent on it, please email me andy@lips.com and I
will email it to you tomorrow, ahead of schedule.

A few folks wrote in abuot paysite math. It was a little spooky how quiet
people were. I was thinking more folks would blast me into the woods with
disagreement or perhaps blast with agreement. Daniel writes in with his opinion
that my average stay figure may even be optimistic! I think Daniel is right and
you can read his reasoning. I think I am more concerned with how to calculate
the figure than the actual number. And secondarily, I think many newer
webmasters tend to over estimate stay rates. James writes in with his opinion
that "content" can effect average stay. He provides some interesting examples.
I agree that people are staying on some of his sites longer than others, but I
disagree a little with the reasoning. I think it is his excellent customer
service and frequent content updates, as opposed to type or quantity of
content, that is making several of his sites better than others. Read the
article and don't be shy to tell us what you think andy@lips.com

and then there is a little more talk on email sucker programs and how they
work. this and a few trix more

on with the really big shoe

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PROSECUTING PORN
Dave writes
Did you see the PBS Frontline program on porn?
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/

Couple of interesting points your newsletter readers might find interesting.

1. The U.S. republican administration and the Attorney General were gearing up
to go after Internet porn sites when the 9/11 tragedy pushed those plans aside.

2. An attorney for Larry Flint provides a list of the sort of images to avoid
to prevent attracting the attention of prosecutors.

Guru-O-Gif writes
I just found this case on those page. Seymore Butts is the first obsenity trial
since 1993 and is being singled out mainly for fisting in his videos. He was
offered a plea bargain but has decided to fight it as a matter of principal.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/casetowatch.html

and here three more cases wait to go before the supreme court
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/supreme.html

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GOOGLE IN THE NEWS AND SEARCH ENGINE BANTER
There are so many stories on Google this week that I had to make a seperate
section. On a side note, after an ICQ from Juicy Jill, I think the only way to
spam google, is with content. I think the key to being listed high is to try
and develop sites with a lot of pages written a lot of ways. If you have a
site, maybe do it like Proctor and Gamble and re-do it 10 more ways, all a
little different. The more content and words you have, the more chance you have
to be high. Door pages just don't work but large content pages seems to place
well. I can usually find a few of my pages floating around over there on very
odd seaches. Here are some classics for Google searches..#1 spots =)

Dayne "Baron Of Bandwidth"
Butcher Of Baghdad 427
Guru-O-Gif (odd that this is 5th because of others linking to site)
sexswap
cobra lads
"chow mein wayne"
"see you in hell Mel" (haa haa. I don't even remember that)
stunts without the use of nets, safety-cables, spell checkers
"keep the lipstick off your dipstick"

and they say it's hard to get #1 on a search engine...it cake. Hee hee haaaa.
Just Jokes. I bet those words get searches get one hit a year. It is
interesting that they are number one and I have often felt, and when I used to
spam, always found it easier to get number one on many rare words rather than a
few popular words. For example, even in the beginning, it was impossible to get
listed on the words "sex" or "porn", competition was fierce and I think the
engines even subtly sold those spots to bidders. Even other single words
like "tits" and "ass" would be tough. I always preferred to go after lesser
know words since #1 on any word is better than #35 on a great word. I would
create software that would take 3 lists and blend them. If you have the
following 3 lists, you would have instantly, 27 doors

a)
really
super
amazingly

b)
big
floppy
round

c)
tits
jugs
boobs

those 3 combos give you 27 outcomes. It is much easier to be #1 on combos. It
has always been a numbers game so 2000 combo doors work as well as 100 single
word doors where combination words were always too tough and changed daily.
Alright, I am way off topic, back to Google. =)

GOOGLE PULLS HUGE MOVE ON GOTO from SignGuy and Lars
This sent overatures stock crashing. Google is the one to beat.
www.msnbc.com/news/700581.asp

REGARDING GOOGLE from Richard
Richard writes
this is the death knell for Goto/Overture. Once Google enters this marketplace
everyone else is toast. One thing that Google is doing right, They allow their
partners to maintain
their branding, No one else does this.

GOOGLE STRIKES AGAIN - CORPORATE SEARCH from Juicy Jill
news.com.com/2100-1023-833905.html

GOOGLE PROGRAMMER CONTEST from Juicy Jill
In case you didn't see it last week, Google is organizing a trick programmer
contest that I think is going to be very sought after. This is like the
SuperBowl of programming
www.google.com/programming-contest/

GOOGLE NOW HAS 20 YEARS OF USENET ARCHIVES
amazing! posts since 1981. Unbelievable
www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html

Here is a rare post from Linus Torvalds before there was a Linux
groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Oct5.054106.4647%40klaava.Helsinki.FI

Search the archives here
www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

When was your first usenet post? The earliest I can find of mine is 1994
regarding some foosball posts 1994-07-25.

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INTERNET LINKING PATENT GOES TO COURT from Charles
Charles writes
Here is an article from Reuters found reprinted at Wired News that surely makes
your neck hair bristle every time you see mention of the issue. You will
probably want to include it in your next issue.
www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,50283,00.html

WHY LINK CASE IS WEAK from Charles
www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,50361,00.html?tw=wn20020212

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PAYPAL STORIES

PAYPAL DELAYS IPO DUE TO PATENT CASE from SIgnGuy
news.com.com/2100-1017-830235.html

PAYPAL PUSHES IPO INTO FUTURE from Richard
news.com.com/2100-1017-834313.html?tag=dd.ne.dht.nl-sty.0

PAYPAL WARNS OF SERVICE PROBLEMS from Richard
www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-PayPal-Problems.html

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FTC READY TO SQUASH SPAM from Charles
here is a story that is inline with what we have been talking about in the last
couple of weeks. Charles just sent this in
www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=639876

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BAG OF SALT TABLE O' TRIX CONTENT
RECURRING VS PER SIGN UP from Jason
CUSTOM GREETING CARD SCRIPT TO DRIVE TRAFFIC from D. Trees
HOW DO I GET OUT OF A BROKEN TERMINAL WINDOW from Craig the Programmer
THE SETTERM COMMAND from Guru-O-Gif
ROUGH TRAFFIC ESTIMATION TRICK from Wyatt
COMMENTS ON PAY SITE MATH from Steve
CONTENT DOES IMPACT PAYSITE RETENTION from James
PAYSITE MATH from Daniel
COMMENTS ON FRONT ENDS AND BANGBUS from Geoff
ABTI SPAM CGI SCRIPT from Ryan
MORE ON EMAIL SUCKERS from Darren
NON ENGLISH LANGUAGE BROWSER REDIRECT SCRIPT from Spanno
APACHE LANGUAGE REDIRECT SCRIPT from Spanno

MORE NEWS
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BROADBAND STRUGGLES from Dan
www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37642,FF.html?ref=cnet

TRADER SUSPECTED OF $750 MILLION FRAUD
www.msnbc.com/news/700611.asp

NVIDIA ANNOUNCES NEW GEFORCE4 CHIP from Ansel
news.com.com/2100-1040-830221.html?tag=dd.ne.dht.nl-sty.0

SUN SUING MS from Richard
news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3VC80ZDXC&liv

INTERTRUST SUING MS
news.com.com/2100-1023-831940.html

$1 FILMS ONLINE SCARE MOVIE STUDIOS from RIchard
news.com.com/2100-1023-831383.html?tag=dd.ne.dht.nl-sty.0

BATTERED EBUSINESSES TURN AWAY FROM WALLSTREET from Richard
www.ecommercetimes.com/perl/story/16205.html

OLYMPICS REQUIRES 3000 TECHS from Rob
Rob writes
3,000 techs! Sounds like a search engine payroll :-)
news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1809000/1809001.stm

PRO-LEVEL DIGITAL CAMERA TECHNOLOGY ON HORIZON from Richard
www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37797,FF.html

EARTHLINK TRYING TO FORCE CUSTOMER TO GIVE UP HER EMAIL from SignGuy
www.computeruser.com/news/02/02/11/news5.html

FIRST OUTDOOR INTERNET PAYPHONE from SignGuy
abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/internet_phone020210.html

SOFTWARE HARDWARE
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AD BLOCKING SOFTWARE from SignGuy
SignGuy writes
www.zip.com.au/~cs/adzap/
Im also trying to figure this out....I've been reading more about it on this
REDHAT mail list..

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I'M SENDING TRAFFIC TO NASTYDOLLARS AND MAKING BANK by Guru-O-Gif
Currently I am sending my traffic to Robert and Ernesto and Nasty Dollars.
There are 2 reasons why.

1. CONVERSION RATIO
I love to test, test, and re-test adult affiliate programs. Right now, Nasty
Dollars is one of the best programs for converting my traffic. I love the way
they design their front-ends. They show tons of pics of the actual girls. They
have 4-5 pages deep of the girls (all asking for the sale). I love this style
of site since this is how I used to build my paysite front-end. Here is an
example with Big Naturals
www.bignaturals.com/main.htm?id=

2. PAY PER SIGN-UP
As you know, I love being paid PER SIGN UP. I like to "make the sale" and get
that cash in my hot little hand as fast as possible...then I can run out and
buy more Jim Beam and Flaming Hot Cheetos =) Nasty Dollars pays an excellent
$35 per signup. If you can move 15 sign-ups a day, they bump you to the awesome
$40 a sign up. This is great pay.

If you are looking for a new sponsor
If you are looking to test a pay program that can make you MORE CASH
If you want to try pay PER SIGN UP because you have always been percent
recurring

then I recommend you join Nasty Cash with me. Robert and Ernesto will take good
care of you
www.nastydollars.com/

HOW TO START YOUR OWN TGP - USE SD LINKS
Robert and Ernesto have done it again! 'Sublime Directory Links' is a single
line of java code that lets any webmaster start his or her own TGP. The links
are pulled from the sublimedirectory link queue every 4 hours. Link are
cleaned and updated daily. Everything is customizable. Here are a couple of
examples of sites using the code right now

www.bigdaddylinks.com/
mature-post.com/clean.shtml

Its fast and easy to set up. Click here to start your own TGO with this simple
and effective traffic generating script.
www.sublimedirectory.com/links/

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TRIX
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RECURRING VS PER SIGN UP from Jason
Jason writes
Just a little comment about recurring vs. per-signup. There's 2 reasons that I
stick with recurring programs:

1 - Security
When someone is paying you $40 for a $2.99 trial, you have no idea if they're
actually making any money off of you until they shut down. I really hate it
when I'm expecting a $5k check in the mail and all of a sudden it's GONE
because of "low conversions". That's happened to me many times. Even if they
say they wont kick you for bad conversions, they'll FIND a reason to kick you
if they're not making money. Who wouldnt? With a recurring program it's a true
partnership, so there's no reason for them to kick you.

2 - Vacations
When you're promoting a pay-per-signup program you can never take a
vacation. ...if you're traffic dies or your server crashes, your income is
history. I've had instances where I've had to take a month off of work. It's
really nice to check my stats from my laptop and see that my income hasnt died
even though I have done a lick of work in weeks.

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CUSTOM GREETING CARD SCRIPT TO DRIVE TRAFFIC from D. Trees
Here's some good information for the Swap news readers: Are you using Big Nosed
Bird's Greeting Card script to help drive traffic to your site?
www.bignosebird.com

It's an awesome script, lots of fun, and -- if you build them right -- folks
will love to send cards to your friends. *With* your site URL on every piece of
mail sent.
www.latexfetish.com/card.html

CAUTIONARY NOTE! I was using an earlier version of this script, one that didn't
have this important line:

@okaydomains=("latexfetish.com", "www.latexfetish.com");

@okaydomains is critical to stopping people from sending spam through your
script. I learned it the hard way when some e-mail spammer picked up on my
inattention, and managed to bulk mail quite a bit of stuff before I tracked
down the problem and upgraded the script. Of course, I also tracked him down,
got his phone number and made his life miserable.

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HOW DO I GET OUT OF A BROKEN TERMINAL WINDOW from Craig the Programmer
Guru-O-gif writes
I got stuck on one of my terminal windows with that. I wrote a single line with
a ps ax if statment and I am stuck at > how do I get out of that?

Criag the Programmer writes
Three potential methods

1: If you're in an IF statement...try the line ENDIF (might need to be
lowercase).

2: Hit ctrl-z to pause the process. That'll knock you back to your
shell...then you can KILL the rogue process.

3. Have you tried CTRL-C or CTRL-X as well?

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THE SETTERM COMMAND from Guru-O-Gif
I was asking in the newsgroups on how to dismantle a terminal window screen
saver and learnt some fun new commands for linux unix. If you are in a box in
non x windows mode, try typing this
/bin/setterm

you will see many slick commands you can do to customize that terminal. The one
I was looking for was
/bin.setterm -blank 0

this I believe, turn off the dumb power saving screen saver. Another neat one is
/bin/smartterm -inversescreen

and then you get black on white! to cancel a command add 'off' to the end of it

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ROUGH TRAFFIC ESTIMATION TRICK from Wyatt
Wyatt writes
Ever want a rough estimation of how much traffic a site gets? It's pretty easy
to see how much traffic big sex sites get with the likes of sextracker.com and
all, but its get a bit more difficult for nonadult sites. The browser plugin
company alexa.com keeps track of this sort of. The only problem is that their
browser plugin sucks. I simply have this URL bookmarked.

xslt.alexa.com/data?cli=100&url=DOMAIN

I click on the bookmark, replace the variable DOMAIN with which sites traffic I
want to look at, refresh the page, and WHoHah. Now it doesn't actually give
you exact #s, but it does give you a ranking. If you know how much traffic a
porn site gets, and you know their ranking, you can easily get an idea of the
traffic of the non adult site... I would love to know if any other people have
tricks on how to look up other sites traffic.

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COMMENTS ON PAY SITE MATH from Steve
Steve writes
OK...here is my idea...look at Playboy and Penthouse...long term subscriptions
cause you are getting a weekly/monthly fix of something you know is
quality...very different from just having everything you can download right
here and now. Plus...advertisting revenue...

Well...I know what you are talking about with paysites...I joined a few and
mostly canned them in the first week or two...just got boring..including the
amateur sites...after you see a chick too much, it gets kind of old. Ahhhh...I
guess it goes back to "tease" .... maybe a paysite should be as much about
tease as a free site....Plus....at $39 a month, who the f#!%@ will renew month
after month? Tease them and charge them $5 - 10 and maybe you will get them for
a year or two....hehe

Guru-O-Gif writes
Hey Steve, those are great comments. One thing that I haev never tested and
really wonder about is the elasticity of paysite pricing. Where is the point
where you maximize profit? I would love to hear what other webmasters have to
say on this issue. There are some sites charging $39 a month as you stated, and
there are others at $5 a month. Then there are some that Richard wrote me about
with 700,000 members at $20 a year recurring. Have any of you tried sites with
various pricing models? Is it better to price high and fast and get a short
amount of months? Or price low and fly under the radar on that persons bill? At
what price point are the chargebacks the lowest or highest? If anyone would
like to comment, please email me -> andy@lips.com

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CONTENT DOES IMPACT PAYSITE RETENTION from James
James writes
You said something along the lines that you beleive that content does not have
a direct impact on paysite retention...(I hope you are wrong).. reason
being.....We have 6 black paysites. 4 of them are like Sub black niche, like
mature blacks, fat blacks, black amateurs and black thick girls..

Now these four sites have stronger retention that our two more general black
porn sites.. This was not so apparant back in 97, 98 when we were like one of
the only large black paysites around until Ebony Fantasy was relaeased by Max
Cash..

Now most mayor sponsor programs have at least 1 black sites, with ars having
like 4.. I will be honest and say that our two genreal black pay sites have
exactly the same black content as the other companies do, and we may get
slightly better retention because we update 3 times a week and give good
customer support.. However the good side is that these two sites cost much less
to operate than the for sub niche black sites...

With these we have to use over 80% of our own content that we shoot in house,
or use a contracted photographer to shoot and the cost of much more.. We do of
course own all the content and can do with it what we please at a later date,
so it makes the sites more valuable if we decide to sell....

Back to the point, we see slightly better retention of the sub-niche sites and
they make us more money.. More sales, better retention and fewer chargeblacks
and credits.. With this said however we do not own or wish to own the best
black site from a surfer view point, they would love to see daily updates and
shit loads of content..

What I do wish to operate is the most profitable paysite, and that is what we
have decided to aim for in 2002.. To find a balance between increasing member
retention yet mentaining a healthy marget... (easier said than done..) With our
industry moving away from a Customer Acquisition model to a mature model, (like
where the pc market is at..) it is no longer good business to have a high
custoemr acquisition cost when you back end (retention) is not optimized....

Guru-O-Gif writes
I think James has raised some very good points and I agree with him overall.
Let me clarify a few statements I have made. I don't believe content has
nothing to do with retention, but I do believe it has a minimal impact on
retention. I think James makes a key statement when he says "we update 3 times
a week". I think this is the correct approach. I think that constant updating
of content is far superior to a stagnent $3M database of 10,000,000 pictures.
You will keep a customer much longer if you give them 25 - 100 new pics as
often as possible, rather than dumping him into a giant database of never
changing pics. Once again I believe it is not the content of the pictures that
is keeping the customer...but the freshness of the updates and him believing
that he is involved in an ever changing and exciting site. This does not have
to be costly. I also think customer service goes a long way in avoiding
chargebacks. Treat customers as you want to be treated. Respond quickly and
fairly. I think James is doing all the right things. He also mentions that it
is a balancing act between what the customer wants and what leads to
profitability. Terrific stuff.

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PAYSITE MATH from Daniel
Daniel writes
I strongly believe that the retention rate of most paysite is down from 3
months on average to 1.5 - 2 month per member, maximum .... that explains why
the signup programs are more popular these days ...how can companies still
make money if the payouts didn't drop? by raising the fee to join the
website .... most website are at $29.95 up to $49.95 per month ..... and
by adding payment methods that doesn't necessarily credit sales to webmasters

this way, even if the members stays lets say 1 month and 1 trial, the company
billed them $35 (on a model where the trial is $4.95 and the monthly membership
is $29.95) ... take out the processing fees, the reserve and the website
maintenance fees, you are left with $25 per signup ..... oupsss ... how
are companies able to pay $40 on a membership that generates $20 ?!? ....
yes, there is the ''not credited'' signup using other payment methods, the exit
traffic revenues and upsells revenues, but that will probably not make it .....

then comes the bad word nobody wants to be associated with: SHAVING ...... a
lot of companies do it ... it's hard to understand when you are a
beginner ... everybody will want to go with the company that offers to pay
you $40 and ditch the company that wants to pay you $25 per signup .....
understandable ... sad, but understandable .....!

how to know if a company is shaving you or not .... only one way ... (you
will like this one) ... TEST, TEST, TEST ... and know your traffic and the
income it can generate ... the bottom line money a webmaster makes is the
only things that should matter to him .... screw the number of signups, the
conversion ratio and the number of hits counted .... look at the column where
the GREEN stuff is indicated .... :)

Companies simply have stats that show a nice conversion ratio with a high
payout and webmasters are fooled .... mix that with hard to understand stats
and you just won! Here is an example:

COMPANY A:
Hits: 800 (probably 2nd, 3rd or join page hits)
Signups: 4
Conversion ratio: 1:200
$ per signup: $40
Total Payout: $160

COMPANY B:
Hits: 3500 (probably counts first page clicks)
Signups: 7
Conversion ratios: 1:500
$ per signup: $25
Total Payout: $175

Most people will think that they are making a lot more money with Company A
than company B .... but the bottom line is that Company B put more money on
the check .... you NEED to know your traffic!

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COMMENTS ON FRONT ENDS AND BANGBUS from Geoff
Geoff writes
Great article on paysite math. I too am finding it more difficult to squeeze
money out of my adult sites. You are totally right about redesigning the front
ends. You are especially right about bangbus.com When you go to that site you
think you are going to get something free, it doesn't look like a paysite. It
also is funny and get you enticed to see what really happens by paying. They
have you interact with the videos and after awhile I even wanted to signup.
Just like publisher's clearing house does with that fucking pack of magazine
stamps and papers, INTERACTION! I also wanted to you check out this link for
Corey Rundles new site, I know you've heard of him. He has a site that has
about 12 internet success stories, it shows the behind the scenes stuff about
some low profile mom and pop sites. I found out about it in the
associateprograms.com newsletter. I joined the site as soon as I went to it and
it's got some great info about what banner ads work, what to not waste money
on, all the secrets. It costs $17 a month and they have a new site every month.
Totally worth it. yeah that's an affiltiate link :)
the link: www.sketo.com/secrets.html

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ABTI SPAM CGI SCRIPT from Ryan
Ryan writes
I have a great little .cgi on my site that allows me to create any number of BS
e-mail addresses. Everytime a spammers robot comes knockin on my sites door it
will find a link to the BS addresses and record every one of them... heh heh
heh... Now the spammer sends out a ba-gillion e-mails that he/she got off my
site and they all get returned undeliverable. HA~! They just spammed themselves
a ba-gillion times! Even if the spammer is smart enough not to use a return
address that works, they send out a ba-gillion e-mails and get _nothing_ for
their efforts. If every webmaster would use a .cgi like this spammers would
give up because spamming just wouldn't work. At the least it would make it more
difficult for them... Let me know if you want the script and I'll send it
over...

If you go to and scroll all the way to the bottom of the page there is an
invisible link that when clicked on will take you to the page with the bogus e-
mail addys...In between my webmasters and refer-it button...
www.sextoynation.com

If you want to add it to your newsletter, I could make it more obvious? = D
www.sextoynation.com/cgi-bin/eletter.cgi

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MORE ON EMAIL SUCKERS from Darren
Darren asks
In your spam discussion, you spoke of the email suckers. I have yet to use one
and would love some background on them. Such as where you would be using them
and where not to etc...

Guru-O-Gif writes
Most email suckers work by two methods and this is where you would use them. I
have also added a 3rd opt in method below and 4th how to find some by hand.

1. Newsgroup Email Sucking
Basically you enter a newsgroup name, maybe
alt.www.webmaster

and you say "go find me all the emails in that group". You generally need a
usenet account maybe with you dial up ISP. A faster connection is better. This
is why many hardcore usenet posters use names like nospam-Johnny@foo.com.
People know to remove that to email the person. If you are crafty, you could
write code to strip that out as well. One problem with usenet sucking,
especially for people who are in porn or for people who are adult webmasters,
porn groups are filled with spam posts and fake emails so expect a huge amount
of bounces.

aome groups I would look in are
alt.www.webmaster
alt.www.webmaster.xxx
alt.www.webmaster.ads

Here is an example I just found..no idea if it is any good.
www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,66865,00.html

2. Search Engine Sucking
You generally load the client software with some keywords. If you were looking
for people who love "Jim Beam" you might search for "burbon" "whiskey", "Jim
Beam" "bourbon". You tell the software what engine and what words and it starts
searching on those sites for email links. You can see how you could easily get
a lot of off topic email addresses this way. An example I found that does both
news and engines
www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,101187,00.html

3. Opt In Interest Lists
I am not positive, but I think software like Extractor
www.extractor.com

now get their lists created by seaching for words of common
interest...say "cars" and "automobiles". I think this works for Johnny Q Public
style lists, but you might find it hard in finding people with the common
interest of "adult webmastering". So it depends on your needs.

4. By Hand with Scripts
One way that can be useful is to go hunting for emails by hand. I would try to
do this in two stages. The first stage is to locate BBS or chat software where
the chat topic is the people you want. If you want adult webmasters, I would
look for UBBs etc with adult webmasters chatting. I would then try to find
older model boards that had emails in the profiles or some sites have a "member
list" with all the emails and addresses on a page. If you luck out and find
such a list, just save the html file and continue hunting. When you are done,
aim a piece of software that is an email sucker at those text files and suck
all the email from the large files into a single file. I like to use Email
Address Pro but you can code this by hand or maybe find other ones. In old
sexswap news letters a few people wrote in with regular expressions and perl to
grab emails from lists but I tend to find this little piece of software very
good
www.a1soft.com/emext.htm

Hey! I just found a free one from the same company above. Can't beat that
www.a1soft.com/emextcom.htm

Darren writes:
I actually downloaded the Email Address Pro one, as you suggested. And "sucked"
(kind of ironic isn't it) a big list. The list was filled with addresses such as
gpl63a.obc.ln@0.0.0.0
Xns91A74E76C587Domaleyomalcocom@209.155.56.81
AV5.246203@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net

Have you found a way to filter these out automatically, or do you delete them
by hand or just send them and deal with them bouncing back?? If nothing else,
you can add this to questions...

Guru-O-Gif writes
I had that happen to me recently when editing the bounced emails for this
newsletter. I created the list and had a pile of those. I don't have a magic
way to remove them but there is a fairly easy way just by sorting to get the
majority of them. I opened the list in UltraEdit (probably would work in excel
or other list sorting program)
www.ultraedit.com

and then did a SORT and REMOVE DUPLICATES. It is under the file and then sort
command. I found that these types of emals were all bunched together. The
majority were all numbers so I removed all of them...you might lose a few good
emails but not many. Then I found that they were bunched at the start of each
letter. So at A's there were a bunch and removed them, and B's etc. There were
approximately ten spots where they were grouped and it took me 5 minutes or
less to clean them out.

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NON ENGLISH LANGUAGE BROWSER REDIRECT SCRIPT from Spanno
Spano writes
do you want a trick I can't think of any really good ones but here is a
javascript I wrote that will do traffic filterring, this one just redirects
anything non "EN" / english language browsers - good from sending foreign
traffic to a dialer or something and its javascript so all the processing is
client side and you don't need cgi / php you can just paste it in any page

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--
if (!navigator.language.indexOf("en"))
{
top.window.location=('dialer.com/');
}
// --></SCRIPT>

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APACHE LANGUAGE REDIRECT SCRIPT from Spanno
Spanno writes
hey heres another language redirect script I made but this ones mod_rewrite
based, this example lets thru en browser and most of europe but redirects those
everyone else you could add a modified ver of the javascript on the page you
redirect to if you wanted to target the traffic even more, personnaly I just
send it all to profit plantation and let them do the targetting

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !=""
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !en(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !fr(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !de(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !nl(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !es(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !sv(-..)?
RewriteCond %{HTTP:Accept-Language} !da(-..)?

RewriteRule
/* 64.69.79.170/includes/rewrite_kick.html
[R,L]

one note this works in the server config I dunno if it works in .htaccess
sometimes they don't

INTERESTING SITES
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FREE DOMAIN NAMES from Holger
Holger writes:
www.dot.tk
they are giving away free Domain Names with ending "tk". You got to have an URL
to redirect your new www.anyfreename.tk adress. best wishes holger

GURU OF GIF
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RJ45 Y T ADAPTER TO SHARE NET CONNECTION
I was over at Corvette Ansel's pad, and he showed me that on his DSL, with
fixed IP, he was not running computer sharing, he was not running a hub, all he
had was a female to female coupler and a RJ45 Y or T adapter. He had two
computes working just fine on the net. So simple and effective and I had always
thought this would not work? Any comments on this? Anyone else do it? Any
drawbacks or limitations? Seem like a cheap and slick way to have two computers
share a line
www.cablesnmor.com/
cablesnmor.com/rj45-coupler.html
www.cablesnmor.com/rj45-t-adapter.html

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NO WINXP FROM RUSSIAN SITE
update on that order I placed a few weeks ago. Remember that site emailed me
with incredible going out of business sales on software
www.e-buycd.com/

I see their site is gone. I never got the product. No charges on the CC account
yet but time will tell. I don't know if they were legit or crooks or credit
card gatherers. If they were crooks, it was quite an elaborate site and
shopping cart. Seems odd to go through that much work but it could happen.
Anyways, the free palm and WinXP never did arrive :)

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NON PORN SIDELINE EBAY SUCCESS STORY from SignGuy
Here is a neat email tha SignGuy sent me. We both used to have sign shops and
he still does sideline business on the web.

SignGuy writes
I've been selling a few custom traffic signs /vinyl graphics on ebay.(avg.
75.00-125.00 per day) since I still have Two 24" plotters here at the house.
cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=601484851
cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1698573043
cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=601805435

payment: 95% is paypal the rest Money Orders. Yeah.. I just do signs on the
side now.. sold my shop about 3 years ago... market is flooded here 46 sign
people in a 10 mile area... that I know of.. plus the out of house shops. I
just do some small stuff now , plus lettering (all vinyl) race car lettering,
tow trucks, etc. I figured since I still have two cutters (Camm I's 24") I'll
try to push some stuff thru ebay... well it worked.. I try to work off of
volume.. Dutch auctions to other seller who can just resell the stuff back
on ebay....

I do both dutch auction & reg. Plus you can open an ebay store. The items that
sell.. I do a 3 day auction.. store auctions can run up to 120 days I use a
program to help keep everything in order...
www.auctioncommander.com/

plus use stamps.com for my postage...hehehe.. dont even have to go out of the
house....Christmas was good... sold plenty of Harley Davidson Custom signs
(12"x18" Alum with 1 color Vinyl) Jan. I had 142 buyers... There are people on
here selling THOUSANDS... heres one...I bought 1000ft Cat5, 100 plugs, 100
boots, & crimp tool...she sold over 30,000 items
cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316000733

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